November 2007 - Development - lists.drupal.org

Salesforce module 5.x-1.x-dev version available for testing
by Victor Kane 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

I have upgraded the Salesforce module to 5.x (http://drupal.org/project/salesforce) Please use the issue queue for the Salesforce module (specifying version used, etc.) for bug reports. Please feel very welcome to post feature requests also! We are planning a great number of feature enhancements. If you would like to help with the testing, see awebfactory article "Testing Salesforce 5.x-1.x-dev" at http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/270 Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Taxonomies are a fantastic example. It's so academic, so semantic web, I love it, but it hurts many other people. Actually, when it comes down to it, most people don't care about the acaemic points of taxonomies. They just want to tag their stuff so search engines can better index their posts. I'd "re-brand" taxonomies as so: Taxonomy : Index or Global list of categories Vocabulary : Category list section Term : Term, but described as equal to keywords and tags (because from the us's perspective, they are). / liza -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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Varying Drupal audiences demand (much) different needs
by Caleb Gilbert 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

With any luck the Drupal codebase itself will never see a "fork". On the other hand the pressure of a *widely* divergent Drupal user-base is, more or less, demanding a fork of Drupal's communications/marketing. To illustrate the problem most Drupal-marketing solutions face: * What does an enterprise developer care about a blogger? * What does a blogger care about an enterprise developer? * What does an C-level decision maker care about either one of them? Sure those groups will have some small cross-interests, but there is an obvious and significant gap between what each audience will be interested/concerned about regarding Drupal. As a degreed marketer with some sales experience (feel like a weenie for dropping that, but feel compelled to in order to "established credentials"), I feel confident in saying: Drupal will have limited/lesser success in trying to communicate with all of its core audiences at the same time, vs. communicating with each one more intimately. I guess all of the above would be a long winded way of proposing: separate_channels_of_communication_for_varying_user_bases. :p (The preceding was not precipitated by any one particular Drupal thread/posts, but is rather interrelated with many Drupal thread/posts...cross-posted to http://groups.drupal.org/node/6943 )

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

--------- Original Message -------- From: development(a)drupal.org To: development(a)drupal.org <development(a)drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina Date: 10/11/07 15:55 > Here is how it was mapped from the old days, which was confusing and > too technical (not only computer science, but biology too!). > - Taxonomy -> Categories > - Vocabulary -> Vocabulary (this one is the confusing part, perhaps that is the only thing that needs to be renamed. How about just Category item or Category ID?).- Term -> Term- yeah, i remember that. hmmmmm. see, i think of it in terms of a dead-tree book (not the module). There's all the (key)words that help create the index of a book. But if you want to better organize the index and do so based on the major topics in the book, then you create category sections. So the taxonomy is the whole index of tags/keywords/categories/terms. the vocabularies organize the terms into main sections of categories. the terms themselves are the individual categories/tags/keywords. I'm, btw, using the real-life way people refer to these, not the technical/academic terms. / liza ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Whenever there is a release we have these discussions. I don't disagree with what Drupal is all about. The issue is, most people don't relate to the concept of CMS. They relate to the concept of "The Blog" as this new way of creating websites. That's all my point. Keeping in mind how people "speak" and "relate" to web development in the real world doesn't take anything away from the power of Drupal. Something I took out of my article, I'm going to share here : The way you speak about Drupal is a fantastic way to sell it to other developers but it does nothing to a lot of people looking for a "blog platform on steroids". And by blog, remember, I am not referring to the technical word but to the mythical "The Blog" that people relate to as the key to web 2.0 success. I honestly believe a developers version of Drupal should be distributed. This would be your dream Drupal and it hopefully will create the space for creating distributions that actually speak to "mere mortals", aka "the market". It, for once, will give the opportunity to UI and UE people to focus on usability instead of just features or tools. Too many times I am told Drupal is hard to use. And you know what, it's true. The interface of Drupal is really not about the user experience. It's all about the features; which is cool for developers but not necessarily awesome for users. Most people don't want to see a menu with 120 choices, they just want to know that what they want to do they will be able to do it. Which is why when Chris says "just choose an input format", it's about simplifying the user experience, it's not about taking away anything from the back end. Good discussion, btw. -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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Multiple sites
by Alessandro Feijó 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Its possible to configure multiple sites in my dev. environment? I'm using Apache and Windows XP. Thanks Feijó

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Modules
by Steven Wittens 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

FYI and because people keep bugging me in mail: any project that I used to maintain is up for grabs: fQuery Menu scout Community Tags Field Spotter OpenSearch Feed OpenSearch Aggregator Dutch Stemmer Porter-Stemmer Codefilter Urlfilter (deprecated) HTML corrector (deprecated) Steven Wittens

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

Hi gang, Delurking for a bit : My comment on Ignacio's comment got a bit longish and given it is not directly related to development, I took it to my blog. http://lizasabater.com/drupal_vs_the_blog_meme I invite you to read it within the context of user experience. Hope it helps to understand a bit better why Chris Messina's comments are important beyond the technological concept of "a blog". Back to lurking, liza -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com AIM cultkitdiva MOB 646.552.7365 --------- Original Message -------- From: development(a)drupal.org To: development(a)drupal.org <development(a)drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina Date: 10/11/07 02:43 > > True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > > installation profile to follow the suggestions. > > And thanks to you, because that was I realized after thinking about > it. It's valuable information for stressing the installing profiles. I > don't need a "more funny and complete" information in 'my account' > space by default if I'm using drupal as a fronted only wihtout users. > > I agree in some of the terms, like "cron" and the mess between > taxonomy/categories and vocabulary/topics, but thinking about it, > drupal has it's own model, beggining with the so complicated to > explain in two lines topic: "The node", so necessarily should have > it's own terminology. > > > > On Nov 10, 2007 2:32 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard(a)killesreiter.de> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Iñaki Lopez schrieb: > > > This review is quite complete, but it's a 'blogger' review, not a > > > cms.. all the comments are "blog" oriented, and in somehow.. i's far > > > > Thanks for saying that. It is exactly how I felt about it, too. > > > > > from drupal's modeled form (IE: it suggest to set ajax checks in the > > > installation, even if the site is not inttended to use ajax..) > > > > > > In any case, this review is really something to consider. > > > > True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > > installation profile to follow the suggestions. > > > > Cheers, > > Gerhard > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFHNbL9fg6TFvELooQRAlF4AKCJrpaw5GMzIyQS9hyREzVkGK0b2gCeLIUm > > K2OfmHFWHoZHTSBw0FjvLlE= > > =JGk0 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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Re: [development] Issue page suggestions
by Chad Phillips -- Apartment Lines 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Derek Wright wrote: > That's the issue where these changes happened, so that's where we > should further discuss them. let's do one better: how about a side-by-side comparison? i've got the proposed changes installed on http://project.drupal.org, so folks can play w/ that and compare it to what we have now. FYI, i think i'm also moving into the 'issue metadata above' camp ;) but i still think it's a smart idea to get a bit of community feedback before we change something that we just changed eight days ago :) note: you may need to clear your browser cache to get the display on project.drupal.org looking the way it's supposed to. hunmonk

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

Delurking, If my previous emails get through, I apologize. My mail server decided to act up today. Anyhow, I'll keep it short : I had to comment on Ignacio's previous email. To keep the list on-topic, I have it up on my blog. http://lizasabater.com/drupal_vs_the_blog_mem It will hopefully contextualize Chris' comments because it is more than just about developers creating an installation profile --I am sure that's not what Chris is talking about. Anyhow, give it a peek. Thanks and back to lurking, liza On Nov 10, 2007 12:16 PM, Liza Sabater <blogdiva(a)culturekitchen.com> wrote: > > -- > Liza Sabater, Publisher > culturekitchen.com > dailygotham.com > > AIM cultkitdiva > MOB 646.552.7365 > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: development(a)drupal.org > To: development(a)drupal.org <development(a)drupal.org> > Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina > Date: 10/11/07 02:43 > > > > True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > > > installation profile to follow the suggestions. > > > > And thanks to you, because that was I realized after thinking about > > it. It's valuable information for stressing the installing profiles. I > > don't need a "more funny and complete" information in 'my > account' > > space by default if I'm using drupal as a fronted only wihtout users. > > > > I agree in some of the terms, like "cron" and the mess between > > taxonomy/categories and vocabulary/topics, but thinking about it, > > drupal has it's own model, beggining with the so complicated to > > explain in two lines topic: "The node", so necessarily should > have > > it's own terminology. > > > > > > > > On Nov 10, 2007 2:32 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter > <gerhard(a)killesreiter.de> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Iñaki Lopez schrieb: > > > > This review is quite complete, but it's a 'blogger' review, > not > a > > > > cms.. all the comments are "blog" oriented, and in > somehow.. i's far > > > > > > Thanks for saying that. It is exactly how I felt about it, too. > > > > > > > from drupal's modeled form (IE: it suggest to set ajax checks > in > the > > > > installation, even if the site is not inttended to use ajax..) > > > > > > > > In any case, this review is really something to consider. > > > > > > True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > > > installation profile to follow the suggestions. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Gerhard > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFHNbL9fg6TFvELooQRAlF4AKCJrpaw5GMzIyQS9hyREzVkGK0b2gCeLIUm > > > K2OfmHFWHoZHTSBw0FjvLlE= > > > =JGk0 > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 > > > -- Liza Sabater http://culturekitchen.com http://dailygotham.cm http://lizasabater.com MOB 646.552.7365 AIM cultkitdiva

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