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[drupal-devel] what do you call a rose?
by Karoly Negyesi 01 Oct '05

01 Oct '05

Hi! Despite what Shakespeare says about the name of the rose (What’s in a name? That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet), it's still more convinient to call it a rose, simply because (lot) more people would know what are you talking of. "free tagging" has 13,300 results while folksonomy has 1,220,000 results according to googlefight. It's not that "free tagging" is bad, it's just that we are creating another barrier. Look at taxonomy vs. categories... it's still more accessible to call it "categories" while the savvy developer know that "Drupal categories" is another name for a rose called "taxonomy". I am ready to admit that "free tagging" is not folksonomy, but again, taxonomy vs. categories. You can say that taxonomy vs. categories is the camel nose in the tent. I will disagree. Regards NK

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Re: [drupal-devel] what do you call a rose?
by Bèr Kessels 01 Oct '05

01 Oct '05

On Saturday 01 October 2005 15:23, Steve Dondley wrote: > > This is where preconfigured installs like CS or on Btyght come to play. > > So your view is that Drupal isn't meant to be used directly and must > be packaged into special distributions for use by end-users? Yes. that is my vision. > Why not attempt to lower the barriers as much as possible? Why not > just make things as easy as possible for her? Making Drupal as > user-friendly as possible will do more to spread the use of Drupal and > as a result increase the size of your bank account. No. I beleive that a lot of barriers can only be lowered by giving in on flexibility. Too many things in drupal are just complex, because we do not want to give in on that flexibility. the only way to make them easier is to remove that complexity. Off course there are a LOT of places where we can improve drupal without giving in on that flexibility. I am NOT talking about all those issues, for one day they will be fixed. > > If I cannot afford an engineer to fix and maintain my car, I will need to > > learn how the engine works. > > You don't have to learn how to fix a car just to use it. And a person > who has never seen a car before could probably learn in about 20 > minutes. Maintaining is not driving. > > True. But renaming 'weight' to 'ordering' will not help. The concept we > > have currently is 1) hard to grok, and 2) very hard to get right in an > > UI. Above all this -again- is an interface problem. > > I has some ideas about changing how the weight was worded. See > http://drupal.org/node/19434 Again: the issue lies in the fact that weighting has no good UI. If we could allow AJAX dragDrop lists, the whole idea of weighting can stay in existence (for we DO weighted ordering) but users need not be bothered with it. That is what I keep hammering on. Renaming weight to whatever, does not solve the issue. Improving the *total* communication does. (UI, names, explanation, help etc). Ber

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[drupal-devel] Fwd: [General inquiry (other)] Pinging with Drupal
by Dries Buytaert 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

Begin forwarded message: > From: simpkins.chris(a)gmail.com > Date: Fri 30 Sep 2005 22:30:57 GMT+02:00 > To: info(a)drupal.org > Reply-To: simpkins.chris(a)gmail.com, droppies(a)drupal.org > > > Chris Simpkins sent a message using the contact form at > http://drupal.org/contact: > > Hello Drupal gang, > I recently developed an application that allows blog authors to > ping blog > tracking services from their desktop. It's called Pong and I'm > trying to > find beta testers. If you would be willing to give the application > a try, > or if you would be willing to pass a message along to your users, I > would > greatly appreciate it. > > More info here: http://pongpong.org > > Instructions here: http://www.pongpong.com/quickstart.php > > I look forward to your comments. Feel free to let me know if you > have > any questions about the application. > > -Chris Simpkins > simpkins.chris(a)gmail.com -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/

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[drupal-devel] Getting rid of global variables
by Karoly Negyesi 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

Hi! global variables are hard to debug and error prone. Let's make it explicit: drupal_set($module, $key, $value = NULL, $force = FALSE) { static $storage; if ($value || $force) { $storage[$module][$key] = $value; } return $storage[$module][$key]; } drupal_get($module, $key) { return drupal_set($module, $key); } $force is useful when you want to set to NULL ie. delete a value. If we can't find a revelant module for a core global value, we can use 'system'. Regards NK

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Re: [drupal-devel] Re: [CS dev] Worth a look: Symphony
by Theodore Serbinski 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

I would actually love to see this committed. Super easy to work with and perform maintenance. Would be a nice dev feature to make note of, simple enough for people who know what they are doing and need something like this. +1 for inclusion ted > On 9/29/05, Dries Buytaert <dries(a)buytaert.net> wrote: > > To give you a quick idea, here is how my modified index.php looks like: > > > > > > $maintenance = FALSE; > > > > require_once './includes/bootstrap.inc'; > > drupal_bootstrap(DRUPAL_BOOTSTRAP_FULL); > > > > if ($maintenance && $user->uid != 1) { > > drupal_set_title("We'll be right back"); > > print theme('maintenance_page', 'Drupal.org is being upgraded. We > > should be back in a jiffy.'); >

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[drupal-devel] A collection of usability problems
by Dries Buytaert 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

I tried to identify a number of usability problems based on the comments in http://drupal.org/node/31896. Creating a static brochure site with Drupal is extremely relevant; not only because some people create static Drupal sites, but mainly because even the most dynamic Drupal site has static content (eg. almost every site has an about page, a contact form, etc). Problem #1: people find it hard to integrate pages in the navigation structure. No one mentioned they were using core's menu module to setup a site's navigation structure. Strange? Maybe. Either way, it begs the question: do we need to improve the menu module? Problem #2: many people use the book.module to create structure. The book.module is a logical choice <strong>if and only if</strong> you know Drupal. If you're new to Drupal, creating structure using the book module is not exactly logical. The underlying problem is that people need a way to link pages and to create structure. Simply renaming the book.module to outline.module or structure.module and dropping the book node type might come a long way for new users, and might help focus development efforts. Problem #3: many people use the menu on the fly module (menu_otf) to add pages to the navigation menu. The good news is that Drupal 4.7 will have menu_otf functionality built in. Problem #4: you have to go to the theme system options, to add a page to the main navigation menu. For new people, this is (i) not logical because creating links has nothing to do with the look and feel of your site, and (ii) the options are nearly impossible to find. The solution is to integrate this with the menu system, so you can link pages in the main navigation menu using the menu on the fly module. I pushed Adrian to work on this, but we never managed to complete that work. I'm convinced this is an important change; we need someone to pick up this work. Problem #5: some people want to disable the author information and submission date. I see two problems with this: (i) you can't disable them on a per-node basis so people are forced to use two different node types, and (ii) the configuration option to disable this information is almost impossible to find. To fix (i), I suggest creating per node options to control some of the visibility settings. The settings would be available in a collapsible form element on the node submission page. Example toggles include (but are not limited to): display author name, display publication date, display taxonomy terms, display user picture, display 'read more'- link, etc. Problem #6: quite some people use the front page module. I've never used the front page module but I'd like to know how it is different from a static page? The key difference I see is that you ca have a different front page for anonymous users. If that is the only key difference, why aren't people using static pages? Something is wrong here, and I'd like to figure out what. Maybe some people volunteer to fix some of these problem? If not, maybe we can incorporate them in the usability task list Ber and Kieran have been creating? -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/

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[drupal-devel] Re: [CS dev] Worth a look: Symphony
by Chris Messina 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

The goal in sharing that was really to inspire some idea grabbing development. I love the "Flickr Massage" feature: Take Frontend Offline This will disable your front-end for non-superusers displaying your Maintainence page instead. If not maintainence page is found a default message is presented. That seems so helpful, even if it's a seldom used feature. Yeah, it's not open source, but it's totally worth getting inspiration from! Chris On 9/28/05, Matt Koglin <mrgadget(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's pretty and looks easy to use. Those AJAX widgets are pretty cool, > too. For $49, it might be a good solutions for some folks. Probably > easier to install than drupal... They're talking about a $50/year > hosted plan, too. Limited, but affordable. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: civicspace-dev-unsubscribe(a)civicspacelabs.org > For additional commands, e-mail: civicspace-dev-help(a)civicspacelabs.org > >

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[drupal-devel] Trouble interpreting pubDate
by Bob Doyle 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

Hi all, I am now aggregating posts from various content management blogs at http://www.cms-news.org I am very pleased the 4.6 Aggregator sorts posts by date. But some sites have all their dates set to today (whenever I last requested them). When the pubDate loooks like this: <pubDate>2005-09-29T14:09:00-05:00</pubDate> Drupal 4.6 gets it just fine But ones that look like this: <pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate> all come out the same. Is there some setting, or is this a developer problem? Thanks. -- Bob Doyle Editor In Chief, CMS Review - http://www.cmsreview.com Technology Adviser, CM Pros - http://www.cmprofessionals.org Contributing Editor, EContent Magazine - http://www.econtentmag.com/About/AboutAuthor.aspx?AuthorID=155 President and CEO, skyBuilders - http://www.skybuilders.com 77 Huron Avenue Cambridge, MA 02138 617-876-5678

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[drupal-devel] LOCK vs. SELECT FOR UPDATE
by Gerhard Killesreiter 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

Hi there, until now we've largely ignored people who aren't allowed to lock their tables and thus cannot use Drupal. Somebody suggested (http://drupal.org/node/1190#comment-55984) to use SELECT FOR UPDATE in database.mysql.inc instead. Is there any database expert who can comment on the pros and cons of the approach? Cheers, Gerhard

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[drupal-devel] Release critical bugs for September 29, 2005
by drupal-devel＠drupal.org 29 Sep '05

29 Sep '05

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